It is told that Rishis and Munis of ancient times used to eat non vegetarian food. Gradually they learnt something which made them move away from eating flesh and eat only Green leaves and vegetables. The answer hinges on the fact that Lot of energy is required for human digestive system for the process of digestion. If you have keenly observed, people feel drowsy after having lunch or dinner. The very reason for this is, digestive system uses most of energy available depriving brain form the part it need to keep itself active, forcing it to go to hibernation.
A non-vegetarian food takes more then 8 hours to complete its digestion, hence, for 8+ hours activities of brain will be less as compared to its normal activities making the person more lethargic. Might be this was the reason rishis and munis went away from non-vegetarian food.
So, now the debatable topic is "should we eat nonveg?". If yes, "Should we also kill COW for its flesh?" Now the cow is making news for a different reason in India. Recently the BJP government in Karnataka had proposed a anti-cattle slaughter bill. Should it be passed? Should it not be passed?
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Yes. You are right. Brahmins ate meat in the beginning. Then because of the Buddhist influence, they adopted vegetarian food. It is all bullshit that non veg food makes a person more lethargic.
ReplyDeleteYes, it is better for Indians to eat non veg as malnutrition is a major problem here.
If you can kill goat and other cattle, why exclude cow. BJP government is communal and it pro Brahmin. So, that should not be the issue here.
Cow should not be killed and anti cow slaughter bill is in the right direction
ReplyDeleteIs it true that non veg food takes more time to digest? (8+ hours?)
ReplyDeletecow slaughter should be banned. I don't think there is any serious problem which gets caused because of it
ReplyDeleteNice Article.
ReplyDeleteNot sure on what basics Raghav like "BULL-SHIT" more than "BULL". But, has to give justification for his "BULL-SHIT" wala statement.
I feel ANTI COW SLAUGHTER bill should not be passed, not because its BJP, not because its malnutrition (which actually is one more BS(Bull-shit)). The reason I am not for passing this bill is, it would worsen the situation more.
If ANTI COW SLAUGHTER bill is passed, people like Raghav would find other (illegal )ways to fight malnutrition and (so called) communal GOV.
I agree, NON-VEG takes more time, because of the presents of more fiber and fat content.
ReplyDeleteNon-vegetarian diet is not easily digestible and so puts a heavy load on the gastric system, progressively deteriorating it capabilities.
Non-vegetarian diet has little or no fiber leading to improper digestion. Constipation is the resultant complication.
Non-vegetarian diet has fats that lead to high cholesterol, resulting to Cardiac and cerebral ailments.
Sorry, a typo error..
ReplyDelete[Less Fiber and more fat contents]
Hello Anweekshiki,
ReplyDeleteAfter a long time an article has been posted.
Hope all the amazing debate we had on God will energize us to discuss this topic
I strongly suggest COW slaughter should be banned.
All beef consuming human beings, please tell me why it should not be banned?
Indeed, after a long time hello everyone..
ReplyDeleteThere are many Hindus who are strictly vegetarian. They think it is against their religion to consume non-vegetarian food. But the true fact is that the Hindu scriptures permit a person to have meat. The scriptures mention Hindu sages and saints consuming non-vegetarian food.
It is mentioned in Manu Smruti, the law book of Hindus, in chapter 5 verse 30
"The eater who eats the flesh of those to be eaten does nothing bad, even if he does it day after day, for God himself created some to be eaten and some to be eater."
Again next verse of Manu Smruti, that is, chapter 5 verse 31 says
"Eating meat is right for the sacrifice, this is traditionally known as a rule of the gods."
Further in Manu Smruti chapter 5 verse 39 and 40 says
"God himself created sacrificial animals for sacrifice, ...., therefore killing in a sacrifice is not killing."
@Arlagada
ReplyDeleteHi, Welcome
Is it essential to do cow slaughter?
As Arya as asked
ReplyDelete"All beef consuming human beings, please tell me why it should not be banned?"
Adding to his question
"Why should the same be banned?"
@ Arya, before me answering your question, I would like to understand these two questions form the forum. probably then I will have some clarity to take my stance.
why should COW slaughter be banned
ReplyDelete1) COW gives us milk and by products which humans consume in form or the other. It is very essential for human diet
2) COW dung is used as manure and also as fuel
3) COW unlike other animals has been placed with high regards in Hindu scriptures
4) There is no problem which arises out of banning cow slaughter
@Raghav
ReplyDeleteI just said it is one of the reasons. And you mean to totally ignore that fact?
Well please tell me why should it not be banned!
1. Pig meat is good
ReplyDelete2. Pig is a very useful animal
3. Muslims dont like it
4. There is no problem in banning the pig meat. In fact, many problems will be solved.
So, BJP government, please bring Anti Pig Slaughter bill
@Raghav
ReplyDeleteWhy are so worried about pigs? Pl discuss if cows should be slaughtered are not! if yes why?
@Arlagada,
ReplyDeleteThere is no sarcasm. Brahmins were eating meet / cow and they left for some reason. Now, they dont want anyone to eat meat/cow.
Hindu scriptures are saying that flesh can be consumed. Why cow to be excluded from other cattle? So many years, there is no need for such a law. Suddenly why this move?
@Raghav
ReplyDeleteWhy are you giving such diversified views. Why is Brahmin coming into picture here. We are talking if COW SLAUGHTER should be banned or not?
Pl tell why COW SLAUGHTER should not be banned. Do not mix up things
@Raghav,
ReplyDeleteThat was the very question even I am raising, probably Arya as well..
Let me give you the reason for which COW SLAUGHTER should be banned.
We have witnessed troop of environmentalists fighting for saving tigers, We stand for not cutting trees, We have laws for not killing deers. Why do we have all these in place?
As per my understanding the reason for all these are because "HUMANS THINK".
In the world of increasing human power, increasing human population and diminishing population of cattle (sheeps, goats, cows and so on), it is needed to have certain balance in the food chain. How many Sheeps and cows can you see in a city like Bangalore.
We wont care about rats, ants, snakes (Probably Chinese should worry about it(kidding)). The reason we wont worry is, they are in abundant, but Cattle is week and diminishing in number.
@Arya,
ReplyDeleteSee
@Arlagada, August 25, 2010 11:49 PM
Animals/cow were sacrificed. It is Brahmins who performed these sacrifices.
So why this discussion?
@All
ReplyDeletePeople who are for cow slaughtering are beating around the bush. They are not clearly explaining the reasons why it should not be banned!
It should not be banned because
ReplyDelete1. There is no strong reason why it should be banned
2. Governor is opposing the ban
3. Dalits are opposing the ban because they eat cows.
4. Brahmins have left eating cows recently
5. Many people loose their jobs if cow slaughter is banned
6. Cows are not endangered
these are some of the reasons...
I really dont understand why it should be banned.
@Raghav
ReplyDelete2. Governor is opposing the ban
what makes it so important. After all he is not representing entire India! Is he?
3. Dalits are opposing the ban because they eat cows.
Well how did you conclude that? Did you cross check each Dalit in the country?
4. Brahmins have left eating cows recently
Who told you that Brahmins were eating cows? Did you cross check if they were eating? Did you do any study? Pl give references
5. Many people loose their jobs if cow slaughter is banned
Who will loose jobs? People who eat it or people who slaughter it?
If people who eat it loose jobs pl. do the obvious to retain the job. If people who slaughter loose jobs they always have other things to slaughter
6. Cows are not endangered
so you slaughter animals if they are not endangered. There are plenty of cockroaches, lizards in India!
Well i don't see any proper logical reason why it shouldn't be banned
Gov is a responsible person. Opposition from him has some value
ReplyDeleteSee if Dalits are opposing or not
http://www.hindu.com/2010/02/20/stories/2010022052920300.htm
Job loss is a well known reason given for opposing the bill
The concept of superiority of Vegetarianism is Brahminical - that also not original - borrowed from Buddhists.
Brahmins killing cows is everywhere in the hindu scriptures
Why exclude other cattle? Is bull included?
Dalits are opposing...
ReplyDeletehttp://www.persecution.in/content/karnataka-anti-cow-slaughter-bill-opposed-anti-dalits-and-minorities
Member of the Meat Merchants' Association, Mangalore, Ali Hassan said that the government had “no right to dictate what food we can or cannot eat”.
“Neither farmers, Dalits, nor minorities want this Bill. Even the Congress, the Janata Dal (Secular), and the Left parties have opposed it. What moral or democratic right does the BJP Government has to enact such a law?” asked K.L. Ashok, State secretary of the Karnataka Komu Souharda Vedike. At a time when thousands of farmers were committing suicide in distress, the Government was proposing a Bill that would further harm their interests, he added.
“There are five classes of people, who are dependent on cows — those who domesticate cows, sellers, buyers, suppliers (of beef), and those who consume it (beef). None of these people has asked the Government to introduce such a law,” said Veera Sangaiyya, State secretary of the Karnataka Rajya Raitha Sangha. It was only those who wanted to worship cows who were demanding this law, he added.
Dear All,
ReplyDeletePersonally, I feel that there is hardly any strong "logical reason" as to why cow slaughter should be banned. But on the other hand there are hardly any "logical reason" as to why any other animal can be slaughtered at all! Despite that, here is my take on the matter.
At this stage we may need to ask a broader question as to why not slaughter humans and eat? why is cannibalism seen with a red eye? why protect and spare humans? why not eat humans too?
What right does a human have to kill an animal for food and not other humans?
Killing any animal is inhuman, but why not cow specifically:
- Socio-Economic reasons: Cow (as written by Arya) provides economic beneifts that no other animal provides - every product from a cow has such great benefit that you are virtually killing a "hen giving golden eggs".
- Religious Reasons: Vedas prescribe cow as one among the seven mothers. Whether one believes in or follows the vedic scriptures is subjective, hence this may not be perceived as a strong reason.
- Animal Rights reasons: cows, as do other animals, have as much rights to live as humans do. But specifically cows have been closest emotionally to Indians for ages. Cow slaughtering and eating has come as a fashion probably more from the muslims. Vedas do allow "meat eating" (not for the taste of one's tongue) but under extremely strict conditions, not as a time pass.
Gov is responsible person. Opposition from him has some value
ReplyDelete1)
anti-cow slaughter bill is passed in both the legislatures and is already is in practice in many states in India. Do you think this as irresponsible!
2)
The vedike said the enforcement of the Act would be an assault on their culture.
Is there something called Dalit culture. I never knew that. Is eating cow part of their culture!
The federation feared that if the new Bill was introduced, then it would breed enmity between people of different communities.
How so! Just because they are not getting cows to eat they want to fight! Is this justified?
3)
Job loss can always be replaced by another opportunity. How many are loosing jobs?
4)
Well i think you are confused. Who existed before Brahminism or Buddhism?
5)
Please quote couple of them.
Here is a sample...
ReplyDeleteThe cow was also killed on festive occasions like marriage. In the Aitareya Brahmana, we are told, that ‘if the ruler of men comes
as a guest or any one else deserving of honour comes, people kill a bull or a cow’
Dear Gow,
ReplyDeleteThere may be many people dependent on black market, on betting, on prostitution, on piracy, on smuggling and so on, why ban them at all?
We have started to see greater violence around and that is primarily due to the inhuman tendencies caused by indiscrimate animal slaughter.
Eliminating animal life is an irreversible process. Once Tiger hunting was an unrestricted entertainment, but now Tiger are being protected and are extremely endangered. Same is happening with fishes, over fishing has led to severe shortages in certain places. We tend to realize things only when they are out of hands. Our greed to satisfy our senses (tongue and skin) will take us to a state of helplessness. So thoughtful precaution is far better than a post problem treatment.
Dear Raghav,
ReplyDeleteCould you please quote the context from the Aitareya Brahmana, i.e. two verses before this and two verses after this, and also as to who says this to whom. I am unable to find the sanskrit text to understand the correct context of the quote. This is important because many things are said by many people in specific contexts, for example there are many unethical things that Duryodhana says in Mahabharata and if not taken in context they could sound to be authentic. Moreover, you are right in that what applies to Kshatriyas may not apply to Brahmanas, so is it with other varnas in the system.
Agree with GodCon, probably that was the point which I made in my previous comment.
ReplyDeletebanning Slaughter should not seen in the eyes of a dalit OR congress OR BJP OR janata dal OR muslim OR Hindu and so on.... But, it has to be seen in the eyes of a human, in the eyes of balance in nature, In the eyes of such many good reasons which demands saving COW and other cattle.
However, Banning COW Slaughter will not resolve these problems. Might possibly increase it. Since, the COW is banned for killing, the demand and rates on slaughter will increase, criminal minds will start finding ways to illegally make money out of it. We know how the killing of tigers increased after the ban was in place.
Dear Raghav,
ReplyDeleteI just found the reference for this quote from a book called The Myth of a holy cow by Dwijendra Narayan Jha. There are several verses in the book that are quoted out of context and the meanings twisted to fit his logic. I will try to find the appropriate quote in sanskrit text and see if we can support the argument.
I continue to ask, if cow (or broadly any animal) killing is to be allowed (legalized; logically explained) then please legalize and legitamize human slaughtering / human killing too. Why this partial justice in the animal kingdom?
@GodCon,
ReplyDeleteThank you for the reference. I stumbled upon the same reference! Here is another referece to show that Brahmins ate cow in the Vedic times.
‘… gam alabhate; yajno vai gauh; yajnam eva labhate; atho annam vai gauh; annam evarundhe…’
Taittiriya Brahamana, III. 9.8.2-3 (Anandasramasanskritgranthavalih 37, Vol III, 3rd edition, Poona, 1979.
‘(At the horse sacrifice) he (the Adhvaryu) seizes (binds) the cow (i.e. cows). The cow is the sacrifice. (Consequently) it is the sacrifice he (the Sacrificer) thus obtains. And the cow certainly is food. (Consequently) it is food he thus obtains.’
English translation by Paul-Emile Dumont. Proceedings of the American Philosophical Society. 92.6 (December 1948), p485.
Dear Raghav,
ReplyDeleteHere is the text 3.9.8.2-3, before that take a look at 3.9.8.1 to get some context:
prajapatih prajaah srstvaa preNaa'nupravisat | taabhyah punah sambhavitum naashaknot | sO'braveet | rdhnavaditsah | yo metah punah sambharaditi | tam devaa ashvamedhenaiva samabharan | tato vai ta aardhuvan | yO$shvamedhEna yajate | prajaapatimeva sambharatyrdhnoti | purushamaalabhate ||
Now texts 3.9.8.2 & 3:
vairaajo vai purushah | viraajamevaalabhate | atho annam vai viraaT | annamevaavarundhe | ashvamaalabhate | praajaapatyo vaa ashvah | prajaapatimevaalabhate | atho shreervaa ekashapham | shriyamevaavadunndhe | gaamaalabhate | (2)
yajno vai gauh | yajnamevaalabhate | atho annam vai gauh | annamevaavarundhe | ajaavee aalabhate bhoomne | atho pushTirve bhoomaa | pushTimevaavarundhe | ..... etc etc (3)
Please note here that the context seems to be that of initial creation. Annam does not merely mean FOOD, like most westerners easily translate it into. If that was so then what would "atho annam vai viraaT" mean? Here, yajna is symbolic and thus the gauh and annam. Moreover, when I chant Taittariyopanishad, I say "aham annam, aham annam, aham annam", "aham annadah, aham annadah, aham annadah", "praaNovaa annam", "annam brahmEti vijaanaat" and so on. Taittahreya Upanishad is only an example. The Westerner indological scholar completely distort the original symbolic meaning of the verse by their literal translation of the verses. This is so because of their lack of sanskrit knowledge and also their lack of cultural knowledge. They do not seem to understand the symbolic and metaphorical language of the vedas. I am not an expert, I am not even a beginner in the study, but with my limited awareness I can see some of the inner meaning (which are fabulous) of the texts. So, if we go by the literal or superficial meanings of the words then we will certainly fail to understand the inner meanings.
Again, I do not completely understand the verses yet. I do not completely understand the context in which this is written. But, I am pretty sure (based on other similar experiences with the author) that the meanings are intentionally distorted to fit the argument by taking things out of context. For example, according to Hindu prayers we finish our prayers praying for the protection for cows and learned ones. But they will never understand :)
I am not denying that meat eating is not allowed. From my current understanding it is not. But, that does not mean that we have to kill animals. The beauty of 'Hindu' Dharma Shastras is that they go with the context of the situation and time. It is clearly said: yaanyanavadyani, taani sevitavyaani, no itaraani, yaanyasmaakagam sucharitaani, taani tvayOpaasyaani || that we should not blidly follow but contemplate over right and wrong.
Lokaah Samastaah Sukhino Bhavanthu |
Dear Raghav,
ReplyDeleteHere is the text 3.9.8.2-3, before that take a look at 3.9.8.1 to get some context:
prajapatih prajaah srstvaa preNaa'nupravisat | taabhyah punah sambhavitum naashaknot | sO'braveet | rdhnavaditsah | yo metah punah sambharaditi | tam devaa ashvamedhenaiva samabharan | tato vai ta aardhuvan | yO$shvamedhEna yajate | prajaapatimeva sambharatyrdhnoti | purushamaalabhate ||
Now texts 3.9.8.2 & 3:
vairaajo vai purushah | viraajamevaalabhate | atho annam vai viraaT | annamevaavarundhe | ashvamaalabhate | praajaapatyo vaa ashvah | prajaapatimevaalabhate | atho shreervaa ekashapham | shriyamevaavadunndhe | gaamaalabhate | (2)
yajno vai gauh | yajnamevaalabhate | atho annam vai gauh | annamevaavarundhe | ajaavee aalabhate bhoomne | atho pushTirve bhoomaa | pushTimevaavarundhe | ..... etc etc (3)
Please note here that the context seems to be that of initial creation. Annam does not merely mean FOOD, like most westerners easily translate it into. If that was so then what would "atho annam vai viraaT" mean? Here, yajna is symbolic and thus the gauh and annam. Moreover, when I chant Taittariyopanishad, I say "aham annam, aham annam, aham annam", "aham annadah, aham annadah, aham annadah", "praaNovaa annam", "annam brahmEti vijaanaat" and so on. Taittahreya Upanishad is only an example. The Westerner indological scholar completely distort the original symbolic meaning of the verse by their literal translation of the verses. This is so because of their lack of sanskrit knowledge and also their lack of cultural knowledge. They do not seem to understand the symbolic and metaphorical language of the vedas. I am not an expert, I am not even a beginner in the study, but with my limited awareness I can see some of the inner meaning (which are fabulous) of the texts. So, if we go by the literal or superficial meanings of the words then we will certainly fail to understand the inner meanings.
Again, I do not completely understand the verses yet. I do not completely understand the context in which this is written. But, I am pretty sure (based on other similar experiences with the author) that the meanings are intentionally distorted to fit the argument by taking things out of context. For example, according to Hindu prayers we finish our prayers praying for the protection for cows and learned ones. But they will never understand :)
I am not denying that meat eating is not allowed. From my current understanding it is not. But, that does not mean that we have to kill animals. The beauty of 'Hindu' Dharma Shastras is that they go with the context of the situation and time. It is clearly said: yaanyanavadyani, taani sevitavyaani, no itaraani, yaanyasmaakagam sucharitaani, taani tvayOpaasyaani || that we should not blidly follow but contemplate over right and wrong.
Lokaah Samastaah Sukhino Bhavanthu |
Hi GodCon,
ReplyDeleteLong time since we fought ;) (kidding).
Liked your last statement in the last post
"yaanyanavadyani, taani sevitavyaani, no itaraani, yaanyasmaakagam sucharitaani, taani tvayOpaasyaani || that we should not blidly follow but contemplate over right and wrong.
My concern is not about what scriptures say, not about what religions say, not about what political parties say. My concern is only about the impact post the pass of this particular BILL.
I have raised my point in my previous post(August 26, 2010 3:18 AM), but none of them responded to that. Guys, Please let me know your views about it
To give some raw data about tiger poaching which I got from wiki pedia
ReplyDeleteIn 2008, there were more than 40 "Project Tiger" Tiger Reserves of India covering an area over 37,761 km². Project Tiger helped to increase the population of these tigers from 1,200 in the 1970s to 3,500 in 1990s. However, a 2008 census held by Government of India revealed that the tiger population had dropped to 1,041. Since then the government has pledged US$153 million to further fund the project, set-up a Tiger Protection Force to combat poachers, and fund the relocation of up to 200,000 villagers to minimize human-tiger interaction
One of my friend who is a wild life enthusiast said "in spite of all these we see reduction in the number of tigers in the reserves. The main reason being the increase in demand and flow of lot of underground money which are making the officials corrupt. The second reason is also inadequate sophisticated weapons with the Rangers to combat sophisticatedly armed poachers.
"ANTI COW SLAUGHTER BILL" might become an yet another "Project Tiger". How can gov handle such situation. Out of religious sentiments Hindus are not killing cows. Money might become a motivating force
@GodCon
ReplyDeleteWelcome back. Your POV is very nicely put.
@Arlagada
That is a different aspect. It should be handled in a different way. So you mean to say legalization of the cow slaughter drives more slaughter! Do you think this cause and effect relationship is justified.
Dear Arya and Aralagada,
ReplyDeleteThanks for the welcome :)
I feel that it is hard to justify the bill outside the religious bases, because what applies to Cow may apply to other animals. It is hard to logically explain why not kill cow, and why other animals. I have tried to provide some argument from multiple perspectives but even that is hard to support the bill outside the religious sentiment. On the other hand, I still have not found a convincing argument against the bill, other than asking "why not".
Anyway, lets see how things will evolve.
I would like you people to know what Constitution of INDIA says about COW and Cattle slaughter.
ReplyDeletePART IV
DIRECTIVE PRINCIPLES OF STATE POLICY
ARTICLE 48:
The State shall endeavour to organise agriculture
and animal husbandry on modern and scientific lines
and shall, in particular, take steps for preserving and
improving the breeds, and prohibiting the slaughter, of
cows and calves and other milch and draught cattle.
For Reference see
http://india.gov.in/govt/documents/english/coi_part_full.pdf
PART IV
ReplyDeleteDIRECTIVE PRINCIPLES OF STATE POLICY
ARTICLE 48A:
The State shall endeavour to protect and improve the environment and to safeguard the forests and wild life of the country.
The reason I am reading Indian Constitution and quoting articles from it is, what ever might be our stance, we are citizens of India and we need to abide to our constitution. Of-course we have rights to express, but I guess it should be in the limits of our Constitutional amendments.
@Arya,
ReplyDeleteI have projected you the figures and numbers of Tiger Poaching. The numbers indicate and justifies this cause and effect relationship. All the data is available on internet. You can go through
@Arlagada
ReplyDeleteI see the numbers. They are really heart breaking.
I think you have mis-judged the cause and effect relationship.
Do you think
banning tiger poaching implies increase in tiger poaching?
or does it mean we have not properly implemented banning tiger poaching?
There are examples where ban on tiger poaching has reduced the trade and demand for tiger. Example: China
The same applies to cow slaughter.
@GodCon
ReplyDeleteI agree with you that it is difficult to justify (for time being) banning cow slaughter without religious basis.
Well i do not understand why we should ignore religious basis.
This is not something new as well. In US horse slaughter is banned in some regions! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_slaughter#The_underlying_issue_in_the_United_States
The Center should act against such baseless bans.
ReplyDeleteThey are completely illogical since they contradict the hindu scriptures or texts and also create problems for the poor and the underprevileged.
A large number of the lower middle class people from various communities, find beef or pork to be a cheaper alternative than the costly option of lamb or mutton.
Not to mention the business of beef or pork helps in earning of a vast amount of money.
Such bans would not only affect the income scale but also facilitate illegal trades, apparently, which the govt. might find a more lucrative option of earning illegal money.
If at all the bans are sanctioned then the prices of mutton or lamb should be lowered considerably.
Mr Indian,
ReplyDeleteI really appreciate your knowledge in various scriptures, Personally i am not very fond of beef.
But i feel we don't have any right to tell others what to eat and what not to eat.
If some think eating chicken is good the same way others think eating beef is good for them. As a child we eat whatever our mother gives to us we don't disguise it.
Coming to BJP and other politics. The only way to stop them is don't vote for them.
And stop others also voting for them by spreading truth about them. We all lack the information.
Our country was more like blind country because of lack of information. Where they just believed the stories and tried to adjust for those stories.
Be realistic. Dont hurt others. I am proud to be Indian.
Dear Arya,
ReplyDeleteFor me religious basis is enough but that may not apply to many others was what I wanted to emphasize.
Dear PFOI,
Please note that killing of Tigers and elephants also provides great profits. So does marijuana trade, but there are reasons why they need to be banned. Some effects are obvious and visible, the effects of others are subtle and long term. The slaughter of cows in the recent decades have been massive, people are selling cows for their meat ignoring the long term effect. This is similar to the way farmers are selling their lands to real-estate people. Selling lands for real-estate development is a great idea but it has long term effect. Deforestation is happening as farmers are expanding into new bases of making money. These need to be checked. These are visible, obvious effects which can be seen and checked. But cows have a subtle impact on the culture and economy of India. If proper care is not taken then we will face grave consequences in the future, which can be irreversible.
Please, please do not call India as a BLIND COUNTRY, it is NOT. It is one of the greatest in terms of culture, education, knowledge, history, philosophy, science, mathematics, astronomy, physics, medical science etc. It had surpassed in each of these areas when the rest of the world did not know that they existed. But the current India has lost its originality (for various reasons), and one thing is true, there is no culture as self destructive as Indians are, your statement is a testimony to that.
Thanks.
Dear PFOI,
ReplyDeleteYou say "Be realistic. Dont hurt others. I am proud to be Indian"
1) What is being realistic, it is a relative statement. What is realistic to me may not be realistic to you, and visa-versa.
2) Dont hurt others, true, this is precisely what we have been saying in this forum. But, should we restrict "others" to mean only "Humans"? Are you talking about emotional hurt or physical or both? How would you kill an animal without hurting it? How do we justify?
3) We are all proud to be Indians in our own ways. My definition to being proud also includes respecting our past, our history and our amazing ancestors and not terming them BLIND :)
Dear PFOI,
ReplyDeleteJust wanted to highlight one more thing. World has been calling for a ban on killing Whales, Sharks, and Dolphins, but Japan and China are killing them right and left to satisfy their tongues.
In Canada, there is a call to ban killing of Baby Seals, restricting it to a maximum of 250,000 Baby Seals a year!! Look at the way it is killed, with a baseball club. Anyway.
We seem to call for bans only when we are in trouble, only when we endanger a species.
The same applies to our environment, we have spoiled it in the name of advancement, and shouting about carbon credit and such after having caused enormours irrevocable damage.
We are expert repenters, after having exploited what we have on hand. We have killed billions of Baby Seals, billions of fishes, 100s of thouands of Tigers and have endangered many species for the sake of our tongues or senses (fun).
Again, better prevent now than repent later.
Why was I Quoting Amendment from Constitution of INDIA(COI). ??
ReplyDeleteThe above question might raised in some of your minds. The reason I do raise this point is, I saw a comment from one of the participants that "Who are these people to dictate what we should be eating?, we have right for choice"
I quoted amendments from COI because, apart from Fundamental rights (which we always claim we should not be deprived off) there are something called as fundamental duties. A honest citizen is the one who claimed his rights after having done his duties. One who claims the rights without doing duties, I would consider that person worth for a slaughter than slaughtering a innocent, resourceful COW.
For those of you who have not read my previous post, one of the fundamental duties as prescribed by the COI is in Article 48 of Directive Principles..
"The State shall endeavour to organise agriculture
and animal husbandry on modern and scientific lines
and shall, in particular, take steps for preserving and improving the breeds, and prohibiting the slaughter, of cows and calves and other milch and draught cattle."
*Cow takes its food as grass, grains for its survival.
ReplyDelete*Provides:
1. First and foremost:
It has served us(not to mention about other countries) for thousands of years in farming, without which we could have starved for centuries.
2. As Arya said:
a. milk and by products,
b. COW dung: fuel, pest control and many more..!
3. Cow urine: effective medicine for many diseases
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ReplyDeleteWe dwellers in India for aeons(Yugas), who reaped and still reaping maximum benefit by the service provided by the Cow, its slaughtering is not justified.
It is like after a person is retired from an organisation, he is of no more use for its profit, so kill him.
Hence, an animal which provides all it has asking not more than Food and its routine requirements, is too inhuman to kill.
I therefore condemn it!
@PFOI:
ReplyDelete1. But i feel we don't have any right to tell others what to eat and what not to eat.
A: In a society one definitely has the right to tell when something is fundamentally wrong with some aspect. Dont you to your family, friends and known people?
So, this point is not the basis to allow cow slaughtering.
2. As a child we eat whatever our mother gives to us we don't disguise it.
A: It may so happen that due to lack of info/awareness, mother did what she could possible. So it is not the basis on which we can conclude cow slaughter can be done.
3. Your statement on BJP, etc.. is totally baselss... We are discussing about Cow Slaughtering not about Political parties.
4. You say, you are proud of India. Proud that it was blind?
It was not blind. It could see the rationale behind not killing the cows.
The previous reply was to Mr.PFOIs statement on August 27, 2010 9:30 AM
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